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Risk, Intensity, Complexity

Climbing Gold·Duct Tape Then Beer·22 July 2026·43 min

About this episode

To move a sport forward, you have to take it apart and put it back together again. Today, we talk with two thought leaders in climbing’s next chapter -- routesetters Tondé Katiyo and Adam Pustelnik -- about the craft of creating movement and we introduce a concept every climber should know about.