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Can bacteria make decisions? Exploring cognition in nonneural organisms, with Dr Matthew Sims

In the CAVE: An Ethics Podcast·Macquarie University Research Centre for Agency, Values, and Ethics (CAVE)·15 July 2026·28 min

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In this podcast, Distinguished Professor Wendy Rogers and guest Dr Matthew Sims discuss the challenge of trying to determine whether organisms without neurones have cognitive capacities.  The podcast features Matt’s paper, “The Principle of Dynamic Holism: Guiding Methodology for Investigating Cognition in Nonneuronal Organisms”, published in the Philosophy of Science (2024; 91: 430-448).