Podcast Episode
Can bacteria make decisions? Exploring cognition in nonneural organisms, with Dr Matthew Sims
In the CAVE: An Ethics Podcast·Macquarie University Research Centre for Agency, Values, and Ethics (CAVE)·15 July 2026·28 min

About this episode
In this podcast, Distinguished Professor Wendy Rogers and guest Dr
Matthew Sims discuss the challenge of trying to determine whether organisms without neurones have cognitive capacities.
The podcast features Matt’s paper, “The Principle of Dynamic
Holism: Guiding Methodology for Investigating Cognition in Nonneuronal
Organisms”, published in the Philosophy
of Science (2024; 91: 430-448).