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Maxime Labonne: Designing beyond Transformers | Learning from Machine Learning #12

Learning from Machine Learning·Seth Levine·28 May 2025·1h 4m

About this episode

On this episode of Learning from Machine Learning, I had the privilege of speaking with Maxime Labonne, Head of Post-Training at Liquid AI. We traced his journey from cybersecurity to the cutting edge of model architecture. Maxime shared how the future of AI isn't just about making models bigger—it's about making them smarter and more efficient. Maxime's work demonstrates that challenging established paradigms requires taking steps backward to leap forward. His framework for data quality—accuracy, diversity, and complexity—offers a blueprint for anyone working with machine learning systems. Most importantly, Maxime's perspective on learning itself—treating knowledge acquisition like training data exposure—reminds us that growth comes from diverse, high-quality experiences across different contexts. Whether you're training a model or developing yourself, the principles remain remarkably similar. Thank you for listening. Be sure to subscribe and share with a friend or colleague. Until next time... keep on learning. 00:46 Introduction and Maxime's Background 01:47 Journey from Cybersecurity to Machine Learning 03:30 The Fascination with AI and Cyber Attacks 06:15 Transitioning to Post-Training at Liquid AI 08:17 Liquid AI's Vision and Mission 10:08 Challenges of Deploying AI on Edge Devices 13:06 Techniques for Efficient Edge Model Training 15:44 The State of AI Hype and Reality 19:19 Evaluating AI Models and Benchmarks 24:09 Future of AI Architectures Beyond Transformers 31:05 Innovations in Model Architecture 36:28 The Importance of Iteration in AI Development 39:24 Understanding State Space Models 42:53 Advice for Aspiring Machine Learning Professionals 48:53 The Quest for Quality Data 52:56 Integrating User Feedback into AI Systems 58:13 Lessons from Machine Learning for Life