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Ep. 205 What is Christian Nationalism with Joel Furrow

Muddy Waters··6 September 2026·1h 12m

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Chuck Ellis sits down with Joel Furrow, Deputy Director of the Christian Civic League of Maine, to define a term most people only hear as an insult: Christian nationalism.They discuss Joel’s new role and Pray for Maine, then unpack “white Christian nationalism,” competing scholarly definitions, nationalism versus globalism, and whether America should be declared a Christian nation. Joel argues Scripture does not support ranking people by race, that the gospel is an invitation not a takeover, and that “dominion” means cultivating culture through service — not lording over neighbors.Chuck and Joel reject coerced religion and a state church, while making the case that Christians still belong in public life because every voter brings a worldview to the ballot box.Muddy Waters Podcast — helping Mainers understand what’s really going on in our state.