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Great leaders go deep before they rise high with Sarah Tse

Soft Power Project··25 August 2026·47 min

About this episode

The week Sarah Tse left her corporate job, Australia went into a national lockdown. A long relationship had ended not long before. Home, alone, unemployed, all at once. She calls it the turning point. Her heartbeat had surged to 130 on the train into the city, past the Harbour Bridge. She was exhausted at work and lost, and she thought something was wrong with her physically. So when the last round of restructure came, she decided she needed a change. Sherry and Sarah talk about what happens when the title goes and you have to find out who is underneath it. She is a registered organisational psychologist who knows the power of positive self-talk, and she says that when it happened it was still tough. In the six months that followed she picked up a brush she had not touched since high school, and watched the paintings move from dark navy to something brighter without ever deciding to change the colours. The model she coaches now is be still, explore, act. And the distinction she keeps returning to, between leaders who splash around in the shallow and leaders who go deep before they rise high. Asked what soft power means, she says it is never soft. Handle people with care, she says, and know the difference between gentle and fragile. If you are between who you were and who you are next, this conversation will not rush you.0:00 - Intro 2:47 - Her name in the grey box 4:50 - She left, then lockdown hit 7:52 - What actually helped her cope 11:30 - Painting and aromatherapy 16:55 - Be still, explore, act 21:39 - Shallow vs deep-dive leaders 36:10 - Why leaders get so lonely 43:34 - Soft power is never softMENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Sarah's TEDx talk, "When I'm fine isn't fine": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVLJ4CudFI Shema Coaching: https://linktr.ee/shemacoaching Sarah on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahtse1104/ ABOUT SARAH TSE:Sarah Tse is a registered organisational psychologist, leadership coach and keynote speaker based in Sydney, and the founder of Shema Coaching. She spent about a decade in product innovation and service design across financial services and government before moving into coaching and speaking full time. She coaches in English, Cantonese and Mandarin.https://www.instagram.com/shema.coaching/ | https://linktr.ee/shemacoaching #SoftPowerProject #SoftPower #Leadership #CareerTransition Leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.me/user/cm5etbvm00a1i01sl6k6h99de/commentsYoutube Instagram Would you like to share your life stories? Please fill out this form. See you there~