Podcast Episode
Episode 37: Blend In and Die: The Truth About FMCG Design

About this episode
Most marketers obsess over campaigns, but forget about the battleground of the shelf.
In this episode Steph Quantrill and Ben van Rooy sit down with Matt Grantham, Creative Director at OnFire Design, to unpack why packaging is often doing more heavy lifting than your entire media budget. From supermarket psychology to category-breaking brands, Matt brings global experience across FMCG, challenger brands, and retail design. Matt breaks down the game of retail - survival, perception, and sales in a brutally competitive environment where you’ve got seconds to win.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
• Why packaging often becomes the last lever before delisting and what that reveals about brand health
• How category codes shape consumer behaviour and when its okay to break them
• What drives real ROI in packaging beyond short-term sales spikes and into long-term loyalty
• Why most packaging briefs often try to do too much and how to focus on what matters
• How challenger brands win by owning one distinctive idea and sticking to it
Bonus Nuggets
• The “husband test” for packaging clarity and why it’s brutally effective
• How peanut butter went from commodity to premium through packaging and positioning
Call to Action
If your packaging had to win the sale without your marketing, would it even stand a chance?
Resources mentioned
• Stickybeak – https://www.stickybeak.co.nz
• OnFire Design – https://www.onfiredesign.co.nz
Connect with the creators, and hosts mentioned:
• Matt Grantham – https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-grantham/
• Ben van Rooy – https://www.linkedin.com/in/benvanrooy/
• Stephanie Quantrill – https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephanie-quantrill/
Explore more from Canned:
• Canned the Marketing Podcast: www.cannedmarketing.com
• Cue Marketing: www.cuemarketing.co.nz
• Human Digital: www.humandigital.com
Timestamps
00:00 Intro to packaging as a marketing channel
03:30 Small budgets, big creative thinking from marketing panel
05:00 Supermarket behaviour and unfamiliar category cues
07:00 Meet Matt Grantham and design background
14:00 Why brands come to designers when sales drop
16:00 Product vs packaging and the reality of performance
18:30 Category codes vs breaking the rules
21:00 The ROI of packaging and loyalty effects
23:00 The 3–5 second shelf decision
25:00 Distinctiveness and “ugly but effective” design
27:00 What makes a strong packaging brief
30:00 Brand assets and visual shortcuts for consumers
32:00 The husband test and clarity in design
34:00 Design trends and the rise of maximalism
36:00 Food trends shaping packaging decisions
38:00 What marketers need to bring to the table
41:00 Why packaging can’t do everything
43:00 Format, structure, and physical design constraints
45:00 FMCG vs premium packaging realities
46:00 Closing thoughts on complexity and craft
This episode is basically a reality check for marketers. You can pour millions into media, but if the pack doesn’t earn the pick-up, you’re just funding awareness for your competitor.
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