Winding up Winston, the rule of ruling things out, Peter Dunne's heir, and the boring work of saving democracy

The debates this week told us a heap about the state of the nation and the vibe of the campaign. We discuss how Opportunity took its chance, why New Zealand First feels boxed in, and where National and Labour are getting it wrong... and what they're doing right.Photo credit Harley Peters - TVNZGo to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details