Podcast Episode
Proficiency, Productive Struggle & Expanding the Horizon with Dr. Brandee Mau

About this episode
Brandee shares nearly 30 years of experience in language education, including work in dual language immersion, German instruction, curriculum development, assessment, professional learning, and proficiency-based teaching.
Together, they explore why proficiency can serve as a unifying goal across different language programs and why the intermediate stage of language learning deserves more intentional support.
The conversation also dives into:
Productive struggle in language learning
Why teachers should not do all the work
Student curiosity and agency
Novice, intermediate, and advanced proficiency
Brandee’s Heart, Hoop & Horizon framework
The cotton candy metaphor for understanding proficiency
AI and the importance of a critical human lens
Why mistakes should be celebrated as part of learning
How teachers can take small steps toward more student-centered instruction
This episode is especially valuable for world language teachers, multilingual learner educators, dual language immersion teachers, instructional coaches, administrators, and anyone interested in proficiency-based learning.
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