Podcast Episode

The Management Challenge

The Serious Games Podcast··10 September 2026·1h 22m

About this episode

Interview with Hidde de Jong & Edwin de Vos Edwin de Vos owns The Management Challenge and Hidde de Jong stopped teaching and now plays it with his Business Continuity students at Saxion in Deventer. Teams run a fictional company on ten energy points a quarter, pick from over a hundred measures, and get feedback that always lands one quarter late. The reframe: the facilitator's job is to wait to be asked, because the struggle is where the learning sits. Today's guests and The Management Challenge Hidde de Jong on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hidde-de-jong-a8639413/ Edwin de Vos on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwindevos/ The Management Challenge: https://managementchallenge.eu/en/ Edwin de Vos, Playful Organisatieadvies website: https://www.edwindevos.nl/ Saxion University of Applied Sciences, Deventer: https://www.saxion.edu/ The Management Challenge's Participant Guide: https://managementchallenge.eu/en/guide/#about Referenced in the episode INK management model, Instituut Nederlandse Kwaliteit, the Dutch Quality Institute: https://www.ink.nl/ EFQM model, European Foundation for Quality Management, the European name for the same model: https://efqm.org/ BCI Good Practice Guidelines (what Hidde calls the collected wisdom of all business continuity professionals in the world): https://www.thebci.org/certification-training/good-practice-guidelines.html Topaasia®, episode 45 with Jussi Galla and Wiro Kuipers: https://seriousgames.podigee.io/45-topaasia About Julian and the Serious Games Podcast Music by Podington Bear: http://soundofpicture.com Julian Kea on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kilearning/ Serious Games for Serious Change Community in Berlin: https://luma.com/SG4SC Please share your feedback and propose guests and games at hello@kiLearning.net or on LinkedIn.