Podcast Episode
Episode 6: The Referral Economy: Jim Dusserre on the Real Rules of Getting Hired in CRE

About this episode
Jim Dusserre, Assistant Dean of Placement & Career Services at Chapman University, joins host Steven Ames to unpack the new economy of getting hired. One built on relationships, not resumes. Jim explains why referrals now drive most hiring decisions, how to build a personal brand that stands out when AI makes every resume look perfect, and why emotional intelligence still beats technical skill when it comes to being promoted. The conversation also covers Southern California's unique CRE opportunity in the industry rather than shrink it. Plus, his rapid-fire take on underrated career paths and best advise for young professionals just getting started.